Imagine If That Was True!

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Imagine If That Was True!

Postby Bon » Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:16 am

:idea: Some hundreds millions years ago, a young female grasshopper resting on a leave was hunted by a spider. Suddenly the spider jumped onto the grasshopper and bit it but missed to inject a lethal dose of venom. The grasshopper escaped but suffered severely but didn’t die from the venom. The grasshopper grew up with genetic mutation from the spider venom. As consequence, the eggs of that grasshopper became mutants too and born a new species. The species became to be known as praying mantises.

:?: What do you think?
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Re: Imagine If That Was True!

Postby rueh » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:59 am

It sounds a little phooy. Changes in a grasshoppers phenotype would not be transmitted to the genotype of it's offspring. Though I should ask. What type of feedback are you looking for? What is the point exactly?
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Re: Imagine If That Was True!

Postby RamblinglyVeryBored » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:11 pm

It's right up there with the theory that a spider was born from an ant becoming infected with some virus. When the infection caused the ant to excrete some form of strange puss from its rear, ant's being an genius bug, put the strange substance to work. Many years and mutated ants later...the race of spiders was born.
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Re: Imagine If That Was True!

Postby Bon » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:07 pm

rueh wrote:It sounds a little phooy. Changes in a grasshoppers phenotype would not be transmitted to the genotype of it's offspring. Though I should ask. What type of feedback are you looking for? What is the point exactly?


the point is 'what do you think?' :twisted:
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Re: Imagine If That Was True!

Postby Bon » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:08 pm

RamblinglyVeryBored wrote:It's right up there with the theory that a spider was born from an ant becoming infected with some virus. When the infection caused the ant to excrete some form of strange puss from its rear, ant's being an genius bug, put the strange substance to work. Many years and mutated ants later...the race of spiders was born.

:lol: Why not?
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Re: Imagine If That Was True!

Postby rueh » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:55 am

Bon wrote:
rueh wrote:It sounds a little phooy. Changes in a grasshoppers phenotype would not be transmitted to the genotype of it's offspring. Though I should ask. What type of feedback are you looking for? What is the point exactly?


the point is 'what do you think?' :twisted:


Ah well then it sounds like a cute childerens tale. A fun story to tell your 3 or 4 year old at bedtime. I quess that's about it though.
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Re: Imagine If That Was True!

Postby Bon » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:27 am

rueh wrote:
Bon wrote:
rueh wrote:It sounds a little phooy. Changes in a grasshoppers phenotype would not be transmitted to the genotype of it's offspring. Though I should ask. What type of feedback are you looking for? What is the point exactly?


the point is 'what do you think?' :twisted:


Ah well then it sounds like a cute childerens tale. A fun story to tell your 3 or 4 year old at bedtime. I quess that's about it though.


Maybe yeah! :D
When I was standard 4 (our education system), they taught us how a kid burnt down the house and found out how good the cooked pigs were - so that was how human found the cooking! :lol:

And another story was how people found fire. First they reared fire and one day, a lightening made a fire from a branch. So they found what fire was and realised to use fire. :lol:

They were scientific stories based on human evolution. :shock:
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Re: Imagine If That Was True!

Postby rueh » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:53 am

Maybe yeah! :D
When I was standard 4 (our education system), they taught us how a kid burnt down the house and found out how good the cooked pigs were - so that was how human found the cooking! :lol:

And another story was how people found fire. First they reared fire and one day, a lightening made a fire from a branch. So they found what fire was and realised to use fire. :lol:

They were scientific stories based on human evolution. :shock:


You were taught this at school? Where are you from? If you don't mind me asking.
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Re: Imagine If That Was True!

Postby Bon » Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:14 am

rueh wrote:
Maybe yeah! :D
When I was standard 4 (our education system), they taught us how a kid burnt down the house and found out how good the cooked pigs were - so that was how human found the cooking! :lol:

And another story was how people found fire. First they reared fire and one day, a lightening made a fire from a branch. So they found what fire was and realised to use fire. :lol:

They were scientific stories based on human evolution. :shock:


You were taught this at school? Where are you from? If you don't mind me asking.



if I ANSWER, that will be damnation to the country I grew up! :))
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Re: Imagine If That Was True!

Postby rueh » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:47 am

if I ANSWER, that will be damnation to the country I grew up! )


LOL. Well I try to give my opinion without comming off as judgmental, but I understand what you are saying. There is one comment you made that I would like to ask you about though. In your description of the other stories that were related to you, you say that
They were scientific stories based on human evolution.
Why do you say that they were scientific stories? They obviously are more related to fable than science. Do you believe that these have scientific ties? Or were you saying that they were presented to you as science?
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Re: Imagine If That Was True!

Postby Bon » Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:51 pm

rueh wrote:
if I ANSWER, that will be damnation to the country I grew up! )


LOL. Well I try to give my opinion without comming off as judgmental, but I understand what you are saying. There is one comment you made that I would like to ask you about though. In your description of the other stories that were related to you, you say that
They were scientific stories based on human evolution.
Why do you say that they were scientific stories? They obviously are more related to fable than science. Do you believe that these have scientific ties? Or were you saying that they were presented to you as science?


Well, as kids we had no chance to believe or not to - all we did was to pass the exam; unfortunately, such stories are like ghosts.
Yes, I think these stories attempted how human evolved into civilization finally. They are not fact but imagination of some scientific storytellers - like some documentary you can see on your tv or some books. These stories are I think the suggestions only but when they got into textbooks and when teachers explained nothing much but taught the stories only, faith in education and faith in religion had to come face to face.
I agree education needs to be very careful. Likewise, the story makers on scientific views should think properly and make clear of their opinions than suggesting as though it happened in reality. Such stories have been made by the famous; although they use the word 'could be', still they seemed to mean 'should be'.

Then what about on Lifescience?
Actually, I was taught these stories in history textbook - that's quite misleading.
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Re: Imagine If That Was True!

Postby rueh » Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:54 am

Well I certanly hope that they have changed the curiculum since your time in school. It is weird to think that such fables were being presented as fact. Though being related to you in a history class, it makes me wonder if these stories were presented as a history of what was once believed? As opposed to what is now believed?

Then what about on Lifescience?


Well it depends on what areas of livescience you are taliking about. There are many articles that seem to have a political leaning to them that I take with a grain of salt. Others however I tend to read and if they peak my interest I usually will use my resources to investicate the findings that livesience reports a little more in depth. I think the most important thing is that you do not take everything at face value and study those areas, inorder to form your own informed opinion.
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